He has remained optimistic about the
second term of President Goodluck Jonathan even before this time. Now, with the
time ticking closer to the presidential election, he appears firmer in his
conviction. There is nothing anybody says that will make him to believe
otherwise. Not even the “fireworks” from the opposition. He picks hole in the
distribution of the permanent voter cards, PVCs, by the Independent National
Electoral Commission, INEC, saying millions of Nigerians cannot be
“deliberately” disenfranchised. To this end, he advocates for a return to the
temporary voter cards, TVCs. The leader of Niger -Delta People’s Volunteer
Force, NDPVF, Alhaji Mujahid Dokubo-Asari, says, in this interview, that
Jonathan is facing unusual opposition to his second term bid because some
people feel they have the divine right to rule Nigeria. Excerpts:
How do you react to the postponement
of the elections?
I am not in support of the postponement if all the preparations had been done.
In fact, I have sapped myself. I worked to the point that I nearly passed out.
I was addressing Muslims in Lagos on the 31st of January and I collapsed
because I had not been having enough sleep and time for myself. I had thought
that the elections would come for me to go the Saudi Arabia and thank Allah for
the victory he has granted us.
But a situation where over 20
million are deliberately going to be disenfranchised by INEC, that’s not fair. It
is very hypocritical of the United States; I think the president has been
giving a lot of people unnecessary opportunities to meddle in the internal
affairs of Nigeria. Nigeria is a sovereign state. It is not a satellite of the
United States of America. Will anybody in the US say that 100 people should be
disenfranchised not to talk of 20 million people? Is it Goodluck Jonathan or
the PDP that stopped INEC since 2011 to make preparations for 100 percent
distribution of the PVCs? How come 36 percent of the PVCs has been collected in
Lagos and over 75 percent PVCs has been collected in Borno State where,
according to their quotes, about 20 LGAs are in the hands of insurgents? This
lends credence to the suspicion that the APC is working with the
insurgents. I listened to Senator Mamora on television and he said that local
government elections were conducted in Borno and Yobe States. What was the
magic? What agreement did they have? God is revealing these people. Who are
collecting the PVCs in Borno, Yobe, Adamawa and Gombe States? How come
Borno and Yobe have collected more PVCs than Lagos, Rivers, Imo States?
Who is deliberately hoarding the PVCs? Is it Goodluck Jonathan? Have they
compromised INEC? I was a member of ACN, so I know how they operate
during elections. I know that before elections, when PDP is dealing with the
top cadre of the security agencies, APC relates with the DPOs, DCOs, the rank
and file.
Is that not a wild allegation?
It is not a wild allegation. I can give evidence. As somebody who was very
active in ACN at the highest echelon, i dealt with the national leadership of
the party directly and I know how they operate during elections. We keep quiet
because we have friends there. But friends are no longer behaving like friends.
So, we too should behave the way we behave.
But that was ACN.
ACN? It is ACN that has transmuted into APC because ACN is APC. All the others
are just affiliates. They are associates. The driving force of the party is
ACN. They are using the so-called idle followership of Buhari in the North. The
machine, the intelligentsia, the think tank, everything is ACN. That is the way
they rig election. In the judiciary, in INEC, they have people they work
directly with. So, the elections should not be held with the PVC. No. The
temporary voter cards, since INEC is unable to distribute all the PVCs, we
should use the temporary one. PVC is not in our law. PVC testing machine is not
known to our law. The electoral law does not recognise it. There is no
e-voting. So, we should go back to the temporary voter card. INEC is
deliberately disenfranchising some Nigerians. The constitutional right of a
person is sacred to vote and be voted for. My wife contested House of
Representatives election in 2011, a
candidate, but up till now, she cannot find her PVC. And it is the
responsibility of INEC to provide the PVC. It is none of my business if
somebody wants to come and pay me money and he says he went to the bank and
armed robbers stole the money from him. So, if hoodlums stole PVCs, what’s my
business? Bring my PVC. It is my right to vote and be voted for. You cannot
deny me that right.
You advocate for 100 percent
collection of the PVC but do you think it is possible for everyone to collect
his PVC? Besides, no law has said so.
That is an assumption. You cannot
deliberately circumvent the law. You can’t trample upon the law.
Even when there is no law to compel the people to collect the PVC?
But all the people who registered
have their temporary voter cards. So, if we are not ready with the PVC, we can
take their PVC to them. Their address is there. The bio-data are there. So, we
can take it to them.
Is it not surprising to you that the
security agencies united to say they couldn’t provide security for the
elections which primarily necessitated the postponement?
That does not concern me. I don’t speak for the military.
But most people see it as conspiracy
against democracy.
What is conspiracy when INEC has not been able to provide PVCs? When it has
made sure that in Rivers State, only 56 percent of the population have their
PVCs? What of the remaining Rivers people that they want to disenfranchise? My
wife has not collected her PVC.
Should that have made the military
to recommend the postponement of the elections?
I am not concerned about the military. It is not my business what Nigerian
military does. You know where I am coming from. So whatever the Nigerian
military says, it is their business.
You are an ardent supporter of
President Jonathan. Can you share what you have done so far to ensure his
victory at the polls?
I have campaigned. There is nothing I can tell you more than that. I have
reached out. We have networked and we are still doing it. We are not sleeping.
We are not losing a second.
Most people are still quick to say
that amid other challenges, the economy is down under the president’s watch.
Many believe such may work against his re-election. How do you react?
There was a global recession that
swept across the West: Britain, US, Japan and so on. Today it is the turn of
the oil and gas producing countries. Is it only Nigeria? Ghana economy is in
tatters even though oil contributes very little to Ghana. Ghana’s currency is
falling everyday. Dubai is in trouble. They have devalued their currency by 37
percent as at the last count. Russia is in trouble. Angola is almost going
bankrupt. So, it is a global economic trend. It is not only Nigeria. But does
the opposition have the recipe to manage the economy? On a television interview
posted online, one of the campaign managers of General Buhari was seen
with loads of dollars in his breast pockets. But he struggled to cover it. How
can leaders be spending dollars and not Naira, thereby depleting the foreign
exchange capacity of the country? And we know that most of them don’t spend
Naira. They spend dollars, pounds and euros. That is what is causing the crisis
in the economy. It is more demands for foreign currency than we earn from our
resources and so the economy will be going down. It is all Nigerians that must
work. Whatever policy on the ground, money laundering policy, etcetera, if the
people are not ready to abide by the rules, hard and stringent economy rules,
then we will have a problem.
If you were to highlight the
achievements of Mr. President, what will they be?
We have been recounting them over and over. We are doing well even at war. We
are pretending we are not at war. Today, a military man called me. He was
supposed to be in Gombe to fight and dislodge Boko Haram. The captain who led
them was killed. Some people were captured. They had to retreat. We are in
constant touch with the people. Do you know what he told me? He said the
president should remove all the northern Muslims soldiers from the battle
front. That until he does that, this war cannot be won. That how did they know
they were coming? Because there were no telephone networks there in the area
where they were fighting. People had leaked their movement to Boko Haram. They
went into an ambush. How did they know? No vehicle passed them. So, people are
there who have a means of communication before they move. That the president
should bring jet fighters to bomb and make sure it is northern Christians and
southerners that fly these aircraft.
But that may be seen as
genocide
What is genocide? People are fighting. They are killing you. So, you should
fold your hands, you should be tied to a stake. You can’t box. These people are
betraying. It is happening everywhere. These northerners are fifth columnists.
And Mamora said they held elections and there was no banger sound. I posted it
on my Facebook and people ignored it. How did they achieve that? Let them tell
Nigerians. Now coming back to what Jonathan has done, Nigeria is becoming
another food basket in Africa. Nigeria is coming back in all areas of
agriculture: commercial agriculture and subsistent agriculture. A lot of people
are going into agriculture. It is becoming more attractive. They are going into
fish farming, livestock farming and so on. Commercial farming is contributing
so much to the GDP of Nigeria. Go to the transportation sector and you will
find out that the railway is working. The roads are being rehabilitated. New
roads are being constructed. Now look at the airports. Today, a
government is constructing four modern airports, not the remodeling: Port
Harcourt, Lagos, Abuja and Kano, all brand new being constructed by the
Chinese. It has never happened before. 12 universities were opened in one year.
Has it happened before? There is the implementation of the Local Content Act,
the Cabotage Act which is now bringing Nigerians into the oil and gas and
marine business. People are making money, those who are ready to work. Even his
opponents are benefitting from YouWin. The only thing that makes them to oppose
Goodluck is that one group of people say they are divinely ordained by God to
rule others.
Some people see Mr. President as an
ethnic president, saying he favors his tribe more than any other. Do you share
that belief?
How is he an ethnic president? A man that has his security adviser from the
North. When Yar’Adua was there, who was the Chief of Army Staff? Who was the
Chief of Defence Staff? Who were the people around Yar’Adua? When Obasanjo was
there, who were those people around him? Who was the DG of DSS? Now in
Jonathan’s government, the Defense Minister is from North. The national
security adviser, North, IG of police, North, Controller-General of Customs,
North. These are all Gambari. When they were in government, let them show us if
that was how they ran the government. So, how is he an ethnic president? His
Principal Secretary is a Gambari man. Chief of Staff is a Yoruba man. The
Minister of Finance is Igbo. The Minister of Works is Ishan. The Minister of
Police Affairs, Yoruba So, how is he an ethnic president?
Do you see him winning the elections
in six weeks time?
I have always told you that we had
already won. We will win. They will complain and we are ready for them. This
election is between me and the Gambari North.
You were reported to have been
arrested by the DSS recently over some inflammatory comments? How did that go?
No, no, no, I don’t know what they mean by “arrest”. It is a routine thing. I
have always been invited by the DSS. I was invited by the DSS. I went to their
office in Port Harcourt and they said ‘you did this and that’. And I said yes.
They said I should go, that they will invite me again. So, it is a routine
thing. In fact, it is less now. Under the late General Sani Abacha, it was a
weekly thing. Under former President Obasanjo, the same. Now, it is less but I
am used to it. Invitation? I have been detained 73 times in Nigeria. So, I am
not perturbed
